Part I: Geeks
God bless Silicon Valley. It’s the new epicenter of the American dream, having allowed the kid everyone picked on in grade school (And high school. And college. And grad school.) to get rich. Really rich. And with that wealth comes, at last, his opportunity for social influence. That’s right, where alpha male financiers fund New York and studio execs bankroll LA, San Francisco’s social vibe feeds on Geek Values.
Before we go forward, I need to make an important distinction between Geeks and Nerds.
A nerd is an individual who is intellectually captivated by some niche subject on a cerebral level, and applies his above-average intelligence to understanding the intricacies of that subject because there is something so compelling about it that he simply can’t not think about it. The nerd has a tendency to become an outsider because his obsession with said intellectual pursuit makes him look at the world differently from others, causing him to have trouble connecting to them, or to forego time spent on “normal” endeavors (like proper grooming) to instead maintain focus on his singular intellectual pursuit. Nerds are relatively ambivalent to the fact that they sit outside the mainstream, and, regardless of their wealth, are mainly irrelevant to this argument, in the same way Warren Buffet is a very successful financier who’s irrelevant to the NY social scene.
A geek, on the other hand, is an outsider who adopts nerd qualities in order to have an excuse for being socially inept. This is the guy who, for whatever reason, never really fit in with his peers, and ended up getting left behind. He turned the time others spent developing social skills to video games or computers, which allowed him a safe haven from the social interactions at which he was so naturally unskilled. A geek doesn’t necessarily have above-average intelligence, but he’s spent an above average amount of time on his craft and is therefore good at it in an above-average way. Unlike the nerd, the geek’s outsider status comes first, and he’s fiercely conscious of it.
So back to San Francisco:
Facebook’s IPO just minted over 200 new millionaires. Amongst them, a number of nerds, a handful of alpha male investors, a graffiti artist and a whole lot of geeks. It’s not just the early employees who benefit, though; the starting package for a just-out-of-undergrad Facebook engineer is around $2 million over four years. And that doesn’t take into account the fact that all meals, medical care, gym membership, transportation to the office, and massage therapy are covered as company “perks.”
No matter how much money is generated in other industries in San Francisco, the tech and biomed companies that succeed dominate the money pool, and geeks make up the vast majority of that pool’s beneficiaries. To be clear, geek is not synonymous with computer programmer: there are plenty of geek VCs, product sales guys, and “serial entrepreneurs.” However, the vast majority are men.
On the surface, this is all satisfyingly poetic: the guy who always got picked on in high school finally gets his revenge. He makes his millions and gains his social status. Which leads to one of two possibilities:
In the first instance, the Geek brings his social activities to the rest of the world. It’s hard to relate to, but it’s also kind of endearing. Examples:
- A high-profile benefit themed “Science of Cocktails” in which patrons paid $200 a ticket to line up at stations where suspenders-clad mixologists served alcoholic lab experiments off Bunsen burners. They tasted terrible, but came with take-home cards explaining their internal chemistry;
- A private party that rented out the De Young Museum in order to host a PhD-level scavenger hunt whose clues were written in computer programming code;
- A Giants game attended with a friend who had company-sponsored seats; she was supposed to bring clients, but one had turned her down for his standing Thursday “Game Night” (Poker? She’d asked. No: Anagram Magic); the other was in the middle of a Starcraft tournament and couldn’t leave his computer.
In the second instance, the Geek adopts the social activities of the rest of the world. This alternative is far more aggravating. Why? Because you go to a bar in SF and the décor is great and the DJ’s music selection is right and the cocktails are delicious, and the crowd is totally awkward. Remember that anxious energy that used to exist at middle school dances? That’s what SOMA bars are like. Except instead of being able to escape into the silent comfort of a “Come on Ride that Train” dance line, you get stuck in conversations about the latest “disruptive technology” with the start-up junkie or suffer through the philosophical position on C++ of a computer programmer whose adolescent grin makes you uncomfortably aware he’s got a boner (whether for you or the subject on which he’s speaking is unclear).
But more than that, it’s feeling like a jerk when he touches your back and you instinctively pull away because how dare this guy think he can do that? Because you know he knows you’ve let other men put their arms around you in bars after less conversation, but how are you to explain that you were just being nice, that you were just attempting to make a genuine effort to give it a chance and be open-minded because all your non-single friends say you’re too picky? How do you explain without sounding mean that there is simply nothing remotely sexual about this exchange? And are you going to be denigrated as more of a bitch for not accepting his advances than you would have if you’d blown him off from the get go?
Before I get criticized for being mean (perhaps too late), I want to consider sociability objectively. Social aptitude takes practice. For some it takes more than others, but for everyone, being around people, learning how to have conversations, and understanding social cues requires experiencing social situations and learning from them. Asperger’s aside, if someone wants to be good at engaging with others, they can learn. That’s not to say everyone does want to learn, just like not everyone wants to devote the necessary time to learning how to code or get good at tennis, but the process of becoming socially mature and aware takes practice.
In other words, it’s not that these geeks are bad guys or hopelessly handicapped. It’s that they’re socially immature because they haven’t put any time into their social development. They’ve hidden themselves behind computer screens since they were ten years old, limiting their interactions to people who were like them. And their parents and teachers allowed it because they felt sorry for them, wanted to shelter them from the rejection that came whenever they engaged with peers. Who could have predicted that all that programming would make them millionaires whose success would give them the power to influence a city’s social trajectory?
Given all that, why can’t I, too, let the poor geeks off the hook?
Because they’re arrogant. That’s right. Geeks in San Francisco are arrogant and rude. And maybe the arrogance is derived from self consciousness and maybe the rudeness is derived from lack of social practice, but if they’re going to operate in a grown up social world, neither is an excuse.
Four examples on common themes, all in the past week.
- Unintentional Criticism: At a cocktail party where an exuberant engineer with bad posture, a potbelly and a habit of sniffing loudly every three or four sentences explained to me that “The problem with women in San Francisco is that they’re not nearly good looking enough to justify what snobs they are.” He did realize I was a woman in San Francisco, right? Was a polite ‘present company excluded’ really too much to ask? He had recently moved to Hong Kong and explained how much better it was there because really “hot women” were always available to him: much hotter than the women who used to blow him off in SF bars. I restrained myself from an expose on neo-colonialism, or pointing out that most of those hot women probably don’t speak English [He got my number from someone at the party and has sent three texts, none to which I’ve responded.]
- Uninvited Feedback: At a coffee shop, working, when a computer programmer I’d met at a conference passed and sat down to join me (failing to pick up on cue that I was in the middle of something). After a few minutes of awkward conversation in which I asked questions and he answered (geeks never reciprocate questions), I said I was sorry, but I was really not feeling super social – I hadn’t gotten much sleep and needed to finish this project. He said, “Yeah, you look it. I mean, you look pretty awful today.” Those actual words: You. Look. Pretty. Awful. Today. From a guy who wears pleated khakis and socks with his Birkenstocks. What the fuck?
- Intentional Criticism: At a club in SOMA, where I went to get a drink. A tall, wire-y engineer stood near me while I was waiting and stared – literally stared – at me while I nudged up to the bar. I politely avoided eye contact until he pushed his way beside me and offered to buy me a drink. “That’s okay,” I smiled and gestured to indicate I’d already ordered. “You don’t have to be such a bitch,” he snapped, loudly enough for everyone around him to turn, “No wonder you’re still single.” How do you even respond?
- Uninformed Know-it-All-ness: At a made-to-order salad/sandwich place. The geek former classmate I had met for lunch stood next to me while I ordered a spinach salad with oranges, chicken, beets and carrots, no dressing. He ordered a ham and cheese on focaccia with mayonnaise. When we sat down he gestured to my salad: “Did you know a lot of people get really fat from eating salad? Like women think they’re being so healthy by ordering salad, when really their salads have way more calories than normal food [gesturing to his sandwich]. It’s all female vanity.” Three thoughts: 1) That fact is so six years ago; 2) His waist has about 13 inches on mine; 3) Is this really my new dating pool?
In short, no amount of Facebook stock will justify the pairing of a geek with a socially-adjusted woman in San Francisco. To put it in geek terms, it would be like a lead programmer at Google partnering with a kid in CS 101 to start a company. It’s a flawed match. It’s a gap that frustrates both the men and the women, and I write this to both note it and to refute the notion that it’s somehow the woman’s fault for not being open to dating the non-quarterback.
No comments yet? How? Stop hanging out with losers.
Can you please give us your take on girls in SF. As a foreigner, I have to agree with you on every bit of information you said. Most male guys I met are socially awkward and have a horrible posture and body language. Every single girl I met in SF was ugly or below my expectation. I’m not looking for fake girls but at least a girl with minimum hygiene and can carry a normal conversation. What are you favorite bars in SF?
My question is what bars have you been going to with girls of bad hygiene and no conversation skills?
Are there female guys?
Stop hanging out in the mission and you’ll find them!
Stop hanging out in mission bars and you’ll find them…lol
I tried to keep an open mind as I read through the page. I really tried. Perhaps it’s my college education, or my personal experience (read: the nerds and geeks I know), but I can’t help but protest the unflattering generalization you’ve provided of these types.
Your examples are fascinating to be sure, but are lacking both emotional detachment as well as bilateral representation… and thus dismissed altogether as tainted with bias.
I cannot say for sure, but have you had any experiences regarding positive things these “geeks” have contributed? One can only assume you haven’t, as any such stories are clearly omitted in this page.
I’m sorry the writer has had such bad personal experiences with the nerds and geeks of SF, but it really should stop there. Your *personal* experiences are far short of adequate in condemning these guys of San Francisco.
I mention my college education as a requisite to rationality in jest; I just pray other readers will come to their own opinions without being influenced by such a one sided page on the Internet.
tl:dr – awesome stories, eagerly waiting for writer to show us the flip side of the coin.
Update: read the postlude; am now somewhat satisfied.
Definitely opened some avenues to ponder upon.
So basically I should move to SF because if I was getting a decent amount of kills in a decently average city, then I would be getting a deadly amount of kills due to the lack of alpha males. Sweet
Wow. You sound like an irredeemable asshole. I am a massive geek. I love Star Trek, video games, comic books, fantasy novels, etc.
And I am also a highly successful escort who charges $200/hr and most of my clients are successful, normal businessmen who have no time for neurotic nutcases like you.
Wow geeky sex worker. Seems like you’re taking this essay a bit too personally, which some might consider also to be a bit neurotic. I don’t know the writer but if these so called “normal businessmen” are paying $200/hr to hang out with a Star Trek loving geeky escort then it sounds like she is probably right on about the dating scene in San Francisco.
I like Star Trek too. I am probably a nerd. I have also been a single woman in San Francisco, and I agree, the dating pool is definitely different there. But even so, Geeky Sex Worker, I hope you understand that men who would pay for sex are generally a bit more socially inept than men who choose not to. I say this without judgement; one of my nearest and dearest has escorted in SF(she is also a nerd… Do I see a correlation?) and she met plenty of men who could not make it through the awkward first-second-third date hoops, and were wealthy enough to pay a woman to not bother with small talk and and social niceties. This is not because they were sleazebags who did not want to treat a woman to dates. (I don’t know, some might have been; that’s beside the point.) It’s because they were too socially awkward to successfully make it past a first or second date. Don’t take it personally, Geeky Sex Worker. Just understand that you’re reinforcing this essay’s point, not disproving it.
it’s questionable that a $200 hooker is “highly successful”. I guess you’ve done better than the $150 whore, good for you! Get a haircut and get a real job.
I was going to reply that your generalizations are a bit unfair towards nerds & geeks as a class, but OTOH I haven’t really checked out the bar scene in SF. Sounds like you’d be happier in Austin. Even my geeky friends here (who would choose game night over a Giants game, any time) have the social grace not to tell someone they look awful, call a random woman a bitch in public, or – worst of all – wear socks with sandals. (Austin is strictly a “sock-less sandal” kind of place.)
There also aren’t as many startup millionaires here. Maybe geeks are not immune to the disease of money breeding a sense of entitlement, except unlike NYC financiers, they don’t wear $6k suits.
Don’t you think this is a bit one-sided? Maybe Part V of this “manifesto” should be about all the things wrong with you. In fact, it might need to be split into 2 parts.
If you’re running around this city and are consistently unable to find a guy, perhaps it’s you, as opposed to everyone around you, that is doing something “wrong”.
“no amount of Facebook stock will justify the pairing of a geek with a socially-adjusted woman in San Francisco”
I missed the part where there was a socially-adjusted woman.
zing
I really don’t understand the outrage generated by this article. The author is talking about her dating problems within a very narrow dating pool. I can’t speak as to whether her analysis is accurate or not (I don’t live in San Francisco), but I think any dating pool has issues. I live in Washington, DC ( was married before I moved here) and if you aren’t interested in being with someone who is ambitious, puts their career first, etc.–then you are going to have a hard time finding a mate. It does not seem far-fetched to me that the SF dating pool would have the challenges she described.
Wow, you really do sound like a bitch.
I stopped reading about halfway through this page because I just couldn’t take it anymore. Your characterization of the tech scene in the city employs stereotypes and generalizations that have been stale for years. I’m a female engineer with a wide circle of well-adjusted friends, both engineers and non-techies, and we know what to tell people like you: Go back to the marina.
“go back to the Marina”..buuuuurn! Thanks for the comment, I’m glad to see there are other women out here who have a problem with the author’s myopic, shallow, self-entitled whinefest
as a male geek having a hard time relating to this author’s supposed characterization of “my kind”, it’s nice to see some ladies aren’t as ethnocentric and closed-minded
rock on, ladies
lol. the only difference between my experience here and yours is that you actually have men talk to you / approach you. for years i thought it was me…then i went back to my home city, or any other city for that matter, and had men flirt with or talk to me and realized…ohhhh ok. its NOT me.
Good points well made, but can’t help feeling this behaviour often crosses geek lines and is unfortunately a specific male type of behaviour. I’ve seen it all over the world and from a variety of steriotypes. Still you have a lovely engaging style of making your point.
“The problem with women in San Francisco is that they’re not nearly good looking enough to justify what snobs they are.” He did realize I was a woman in San Francisco, right? Was a polite ‘present company excluded’ really too much to ask?
…The reason he probably left off the “present company excluded” is because his present company was precisely the sort of woman he was talking about. I feel more kinship for this random geek than I do for the obviously self-obsessed writer of this horrible, horrible blog.
You sound like your typical SOMA/Marina bitch. There’s a reason I don’t frequent the “trendy” bars down there. Too many douchebags.
Maybe the reason there are so many gays in san fransico is that it’s beats spending time around women like yourself.
Seriously you sound like such a toxic person it much be hard living your life, I bet you don’t have many friends.
“In other words, it’s not that these geeks are bad guys or hopelessly handicapped. It’s that they’re socially immature because they haven’t put any time into their social development. They’ve hidden themselves behind computer screens since they were ten years old, limiting their interactions to people who were like them. And their parents and teachers allowed it because they felt sorry for them, wanted to shelter them from the rejection that came whenever they engaged with peers. ”
Sounds very much like you, are you a geek? I mean surely with all your big qualifications and big career, you ought to be able to land a man whose up to your standards? And arrogant, really, geeks are arrogant and rude, but you generalizing yourself to be better than an entire cross section of society (basically any non perfect man) is not arrogant.
As for your generalization
1. Almost everyone in Hong Kong speaks english, that’s just an ignorant comment, HK is basically a 1st world advanced country with an advanced banking and financial sector, its the New York of Asia. And his comment is accurate, girls from SF are generally snobs. I’d differ saying that no matter how hot a girl is, she is not justified in being a snob.
2. If “geeks” are blowing you out the water for bad looks, then I’m sorry you have zero chance with a six pack, rich, perfect man.
3. Your basically right on this one, IF that is how it occured, him calling you a bitch for you turning down his offer to buy you a drink. But as a man I suspect, and I can’t prove, there was more to it than that. This is because the fact that a socially inept geek as you describe it, can determine you were single in such a quick time, is highly suggestive there was more to the conversation
4. Yes I get it, all woman want the quarterback, but the quarterback, despite all the hits to his head, is going for the hottest chair leader, he isn’t going for the nerdy girl, so get over it. And socially well adjusted women, LOL. It is easy to criticize men’s approaches to you, because you (females as a group) never take the risk to approach guys, and the times I’ve been approached by a woman, they’ve all been pretty shitty to be honest. Never meet a girl who had solid confidence in an approach. Besides, the kind of things you’d consider socially well adjusted seem to only occur in gay men (ie men who can discuss tv shows with you) Well not shit shirlock, straight men don’t watch will and grace or darma and greg.
“2. If “geeks” are blowing you out the water for bad looks, then I’m sorry you have zero chance with a six pack, rich, perfect man.”
Totally fallacious. I’ve had my looks bagged on by some totally hideous guys, yet my SO is damn gorgeous. The “elbows too pointy” meme didn’t come out of nowhere.
This post seems to have brought out the bitter in people. Funny thing how you’d find a lot of geeks on the Internet who are outraged by an article discussing… geeks.
Don’t let them get to you author. People who can’t make fun of themselves or see their own faults (or see truth in hyperbole, if you can’t accept the other two) are doomed to live very confused and aggravating lives.
I was surprised to read so many opposing comments. I thought this writing was spot on. It’s refreshing to have someone else articulate what I tell my out of town friends and family all the time. I’ve had many of the same exact experiences you’ve described. From my pov, you’ve really captured what it’s like to live here. The comment about SF girls being ugly and snobby is unfortunately also true as a generalization.
“pleated khakis”
The consensus amongst afficionados of men’s clothing is that pleated khakis are superior to flat-fronts for 2 main reasons. First, the extra space means they don’t bunch and stretch when you sit down, leading to superior comfort. Second, they allow the trousers to be worn at the natural waist, thus hiding any belly. Only people who place transient fashion (i.e. herd-following for conformist reasons) over permanent style and function would sneer at pleated trousers.
Noted wearers of pleated trousers: Cary Grant, Humphrey Bogart, Sean Connery. Somehow I suspect that if the author of this piece was on a date with one of these gentlemen, she would not be criticising their trouser pleats.
@TL Gutter Rat
I concur, it’s a Borderline hive of bitter foreveralones we have in the comment section. SF has more than it’s fair share of douches, and compared to the rest of the country; the nerd culture thinks of itself a bit too highly (making twice as much means nothing if housing runs three times as much,) of itself as moneybag success stories.
I will say one thing though, the poster above is either attracting these assholes or is very unlucky. In my life in Silicon Valley, I’ve met dozens of sweet kind and most of all; humble tech types from all backgrounds. Been with one for 4 years and its hardly a one sided relationship, I’ve been into computers since middle school, when SIMD such as SSE2 and altivec was cutting edge.
You know I’m what you would call a nerd. I’ve devoted myself to a subject area I find fascinating and work for 30% below market rate in my area. I’ve just read your part on geeks and I have to say you’re right that these dudes are complete assholes. I also have to say that my studies in my area have certainly changed me as a person and govern how I view the world around me.
With that said…. I have none of the social awkwardness that u speak of despite my Ph.D. In fact most people never guess I have one until after a few hours on conversation… my friends usually blurt it out without my consent. In fact despite this momentous accomplishment (the first in my family ever in 400 yrs on this continent), I’m ashamed of it because of women like you. On top of all that I work out every day and have a pretty decent build as a result. I make good $ and my friends tell me I’m interesting and fun to be around. Yet I can’t get a date to save my life in this area… I’ve tried match.com: Jesus what a disaster. I’ll tell u my one short coming: 5′
5″. Yeah that’s right I’m short and no matter how short the girl is… she always tells me ” I’m just not that into it”. I put it to you that women in the area are just plain SHALLOW focusing on the one thing a man cannot change about himself. There is no surgery on this planet that will make me 6′ period. I put it to you author to come find those of us true nerds to who are successful and not arrogant and stop judging us for things we cannot change.
I want to highlight one last caveat… women judging men for their height is the single most SHALLOW judgement possible. If a girl has small breasts she can have surgery to fix that if it bothers her enough. The fact that no natural or artificial means can make a man taller indicates that this criteria is the most SHALLOW one possible. I’ve found that the plethora of men in this area (eligible or not ) have bread a segment of overly picky and SHALLOW women. Needless to say author I’m out of here ASAP and it’s your loss. Stop blaming others for your own shallow dating practices.
FYI: The last 3 women I’ve asked out I’ve had no sexual or physical attraction to I liked them for what they were like on the inside. I’m sure you don’t believe me but too bad cuz it’s true.
You’ll be happy to know that height surgery actually is a thing. It’s incredibly painful and expensive and leaves scars, but hey, so do breast implants. By your own logic, you’re now never allowed to complain about women preferring tall men ever again. Cheers.
I am not woman and I think I am a geek too. I share my time between San Francisco and Athens, Greece and although things in Greece are not quite rosy at this time I am not keen on moving to SF. Monoculture and loneliness (because of the very social problems you mentioned) have made me hating to move there.
Great post!
In your piece, you mention that “no amount of Facebook stock will justify the pairing of a geek with a socially-adjusted woman in San Francisco….It’s a flawed match. It’s a gap that frustrates both the men and the women.”
I disagree. Linx Dating continues to be such a fast growth business representing a very diverse clientele. Linx addresses this issue as being a referral based offline dating and social network that bridges the gap between the Silicon Valley man and San Francisco woman, thus creating opportunities for these respective demographics that they might not have otherwise. There indeed is a dearth of women in the Valley and many SV guys do not have the resources or “think” to meet a woman in San Francisco. In San Francisco, there is an abundance of very smart, successful, and dynamic women and a lack of men who are interested in commitment. These girls need to go for the “perfect on paper” finance type when they are single in the city to really appreciate and “get” why these brainy geeks make the better match for marriage. In other words, the woman in San Francisco needs to experience getting burned emotionally from the 6’3″ good looking banker type who wines and dines her, sleeps with her on date 2, and later shares he’s just not ready for anything serious after 6 months for dating. At that point, she’s pissed off and probably goes for another perfect on paper guy to later have the a ha moment that these guys get away with the worst offenses each time and they simply aren’t going to commit! Thus, when I founded Linx 10 years ago, supply meets demand. Eligible professional Silicon Valley man + well rounded attractive professional San Francisco woman= unique niche and a great opportunity to be had. This actually makes the perfect match for marriage. To date, we represent over 1000 educated professionals who see a tremendous value in what we can offer them and countless couples that we have matched would disagree with your commentary. No more complaints about the dating scene in the Silicon Valley or in San Francisco, or saying that these two different demographics are a “flawed match.”
I happened upon this site pretty randomly. But let me post my opinion on this piece:
“I write this to both note it and to refute the notion that it’s somehow the woman’s fault for not being open to dating the non-quarterback”
You’re a moron. And the salad thing? It’s your fault for hanging around with douches. Oops, I guess that makes me another uppity nerd for speaking the truth
Can’t handle it? Move back to flyover country and enjoy your quarterbacks.
Oh no, you don’t like geeks? If your number one priority in life is to get married, then you should probably get the hell out of San Francisco. You’re not welcome here.
I have never lived in San Francisco, and to that end, I cannot really comment on the social climate. That being said, it sounds like these “geeks” are acting defensively to your rejections. You may sound very polite in your head, as you make yourself sound in this article, but I’m guessing that your body language and tone of voice are much more dismissive than you’re letting on. In your mind, you are already classifying and judging these young men to be beneath you, and I’m certain that judgment shines through your pretty smile. Also, as a geek/nerd (I don’t know if I count as someone with exceptional intelligence or whatever it is that you think distinguishes the two intrinsically derogatory terms), perhaps you should get to know one of us outside of a loud bar scene where we already feel actively judged and ridiculed. If you didn’t already pass judgment on these men, and actually let them take you on a simple date, you might find that they’re more boyfriend material than you could ever hope for.
So if the geek in the coffee shop was wearing pants besides pleated Khakis would it have made a difference? Could he get away with insulting you if he was dressed up to your standards?